You probably don’t even have OS X installed, all that bull about Exposé not being able to switch between two recent documents and having to use the mouse. (rolls eyes).
Puhhhhlease.. you act like “tab” is somehow obvious in Exposé. Even then you are still wrong because it doesn’t switch between recently used windows or documents but recently used apps. Try switching back and forth between several windows of the same app.. don’t work with Exposé and tab, now does it?
And even then it doesn’t counter the point that it takes three actions to switch (envoke expose, choose window with tab, and unenvoke exposé) whereas alt-tab or win+tab is one motion.
You clearly said that Vista did not have “instant results"… which anyone who had ever used it could not have made that mistake.
You thought you had to either arrow or mouse over to the application you want to launch. (rolls eyes)
LOL! You didn’t know about it eitherLOL! That’s why you never addressed before DaGuy brought it up. and again, this feature is not obvious like search as you type/instant results in vista.
Even Pilky never mentioned it in our discussions about Spotlight, lol!
Again, F13, F14, F15, F16.
nonew of which do I consider “good” because they are so far away from the normal position of my hands and require me to always look down at the keyboard. My kensignton Mac keyboard doesn’t even have f16 and my (or soon to be mine) Macbook doesn’t have any of those keys.
The difference between “pho” in Vista and in spotlight is that the latter requires the result to come in before you press CMND
No difference at all because I can’t type “phot” faster than the results and 2 out of 4 times in nabegrave’s screenshots, RETURN would launch the wrong application.
the top hit in Spotlight is not adaptive like vista’s search is.
Explain by what you mean versus reciting some blog you read that mislead you.
Top Hit adapts to items I launch versus ones I don’t.
By comparison that is clumbsy especially after you consider the key combo that you used to access spotlight in the first place
It’s not clumsy to you when you are using ALT TAB in Vista or when you are using Flip3D, but it’s clumsy for you in OS X. Typical of you, really.
must hit both CMD and Return at the same time
No, they don’t have to be hit at the same time, they both have to be down at some point at the same time. But now you are nit-picking.
Your argument is “Vista is better because I press RETURN and you press CMND RETURN.” That’s it. Everyone reading this knows that’s all you have.
1. Vista’s search has a key dedicated to it (the winkey). there’s no need to hit two keys at the same time, stretch for a function key, or remap the keyboard in any way shape or form.
Right, Vista is RETURN and OS X is CMND RETURN. Wow.
2. Return (pressed sequentially) is much faster than CMD+Return pressed at the same time… and much less awkward.
Same as #1—RETURN is faster than CMND RETURN, which isn’t true at all. I can press two keys down at the same time in the same time as you pressing RETURN. It requires more dexterity than you have, I guess, but not most people, at least anyone who has mastered the amazingly difficult ALT TAB.
Vista’s results are adaptive.
Are you saying to me that the Top Hit in Spotlight doesn’t adapt to what I’ve launched from there before? It certainly does.
Do this—do a search for something and note what the Top Hit is. Launch something other than the Top Hit. Do the search again and see the Top Hit change.
You like to throw out buzz words that you read in blogs that you don’t really understand.
4. Vista’s results list does not jump or reoder itself when new results come in.
It waits until all 20,000 files are found for that category before it presents them to you.
5. Vista caches the results of frequently used searches to do them faster
I don’t know that Spotlight doesn’t do any caching. All I know is for application launching, the subject of this discussion, the ones I use always show up before I can type most of the name.
6. Vista’s search box acts as a “run box” or CLI and can pass arguements to applications… like loading a specific web page in a specific web browser or lauching an app in a certian state (run as admin, minimized, full screen etc.)
Which has nothing to do with typing a few letters and launching it quickly. This is you, again, trying to distract.
7. You don’t need to wait for the results to come in before you complete all the neccesary keystrokes to launch an app. So even if the app is not the top hit (i.e. install Quicksilver and do a search for “ic” and ichat will be second), you can launch the app quicker in Vista than in spotlight.
You already said you don’t have to wait for the results. But, again, you are full of it because if the application selected for Vista is not the one you want, you just launched the wrong application. You say, “Well, gee, if I type the letters I have memorized for that specific application, it’s always the same one.” Yeah, that’s Spotlight. Moot point, Kuaidang. Give it up.
That’s because you are making stuff up in your own mind or you lack reading comphrension skills, specifically those dealing with contextual issues.
Really, Kuaidang. Who makes stuff up? You by telling us all that Microsoft Office had nothing to do with the DoJ anti-trust case, or me thinking you were bashing OS X again, which you do all the time?
Was it you making stuff up when you said it was Apple who was to blame for IBM’s problems even after I sent you links to IBM executives talking about their problems?
Kuaidang, this thread is simply about RETURN versus CMND RETURN and you are now trying to make it something else, that’s all.
Another complete figment of your imagination. The jpg example (quoted below) at no point mentioned launching or searching for apps.
So why did you bring it up? It’s irrelevant to launching applications, it doesn’t affect the list of applications in the Spotlight results.
Again, it’s just you trying to obfuscate after someone cuts through your BS. This happens all the time. You always go out on a limb and blame Apple or bash OS X when you don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Jesus, with the DoJ anti-trust, I used your own link to point out the references to Office to prove you wrong. WinFS isn’t dead? Rosyna’s wrong? Someone always cuts through your BS. I give you a quote from Wikipedia. Well, you say they are wrong and you are right. I give you a quote from Microsoft. Well, Microsoft is wrong and you are right. BS. BS. BS.
Again, launching apps in Vista using search is:
1. Type the letters of the application you want.
2. Press RETURN if the selected application is the one you want.
With OS X:
1. Type the letters of the application you want.
2. Press CMND RETURN if the Top Hit is the application you want.
That’s it. That’s your whole argument right there. Wow, Vista is so amazingly revolutionary. The WinFS that you were praising for two years about how it was going to mow my lawn and clean my house is now dead and you are down to RETURN is faster than CMND RETURN. How pathetic.
Try switching back and forth between several windows of the same app.. don’t work with Exposé and tab, now does it?
It doesn’t in Windows either in Photoshop, After Effects, Illustrator, Flash, Freehand, any MDI application.
And even then it doesn’t counter the point that it takes three actions to switch (envoke expose, choose window with tab, and unenvoke exposé) whereas alt-tab or win+tab is one motion.
One motion! LOL! Isn’t it clumsy? LOL!
You clearly said that Vista did not have “instant results”… which anyone who had ever used it could not have made that mistake.
It was a mistake based on my limited use of it and based on earlier builds and what I’ve read.
The difference between you and me, though, is I will never repeat that again. I prove to you something several times and you continue to spread FUD. You continue to forget you can assign Exposé and Spotlight to custom keys, you continue to forget about IBM’s fab problems, etc.
I’m sure you will once again claim that with Exposé you have to use your mouse when we have told you that you can use the arrow keys to select windows.
I’m sure you will once again claim that Exposé places windows in a random location when we have shown you that it places the windows in the same place every single time and not in a random (different location for same window between multiple invocations of Exposé) place.
nonew of which do I consider “good” because they are so far away from the normal position of my hands and require me to always look down at the keyboard.
But CMND RETURN is normal. You are typing with both hands, right? CMND RETURN is “one motion”. LOL!
No difference at all because I can’t type “phot” faster than the results and 2 out of 4 times in nabegrave’s screenshots, RETURN would launch the wrong application.
WTF? NABE didn’t type “phot” but “cla”, “med” etc. each screenshot was of a different string. Not even close to being the same thing. The fact that you need to disambiguate or select the app with a keystroke (arrow) is not different than Spotlight. What is different is that you can do that keystroke (arrow), in Vista, before the results come in and it will still work.
Explain by what you mean versus reciting some blog you read that mislead you.
Top Hit adapts to items I launch versus ones I don’t.
Some blog? I don’t get the reference.
but vista’s search is adapative to what you use not just what you launch from the menu. So if you use something that is not in the “all programs” menu but in system32 (like computer management, device manager etc.) then it will include it in the results. I tchanges the parameters of the search… it also tracks usage as it does recent or commonly used items… so the fact that you used one app once won’t jump it to the top in the search results… that’s adaptive IMO.
It’s not clumsy to you when you are using ALT TAB in Vista or when you are using Flip3D, but it’s clumsy for you in OS X. Typical of you, really.
CMD Return is still clumbsy. Alt-tab is much easier, the keys are closer, I’ve been doing it since Windows 95/98, it only takes one hand (as opposed to left cmd+return), I do it with my left hand… the one I use for nearly all shortcuts…
It waits until all 20,000 files are found for that category before it presents them to you.
Says who?
1.AFAIK vista only retuns 5,000 items total in any Beta 2 search.
2. the search box in the start menu only returns the amount of items it is able to show… it doesn’t slow down the results of one category because another category has a ton of “possible” results
3. It doesn’t reorder the list but adds new results to the bottom instead.
1. Vista’s search has a key dedicated to it (the winkey). there’s no need to hit two keys at the same time, stretch for a function key, or remap the keyboard in any way shape or form.
Right, Vista is RETURN and OS X is CMND RETURN. Wow.
Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement you’ve made so far… It’s winkey vs cmd+space or function key. There’s nothing about CMD+return vs return in that statement.
Which has nothing to do with typing a few letters and launching it quickly. This is you, again, trying to distract.
Look at the first post. It’s about “launching apps” not soley “launching them the fastest”.. this is you not paying attention again.
You already said you don’t have to wait for the results. But, again, you are full of it because if the application selected for Vista is not the one you want, you just launched the wrong application. You say, “Well, gee, if I type the letters I have memorized for that specific application, it’s always the same one.” Yeah, that’s Spotlight. Moot point, Kuaidang. Give it up.
Pay attention. Open Spotlight. type in one letter and press return as fast as you can… it will not launch anything if you press return before the menu shows up. Even if you have memorized the specific letter or letters for a certian applications, it will not launch in spotlight until the results come up, period. It will in Vista. Furthermore, if you know the application you want will not be first in the list but elsewhere then you can hit the arrow key to select it (and enter to launch it) before it actually shows up. can’t do that in spotlight either.
Really, Kuaidang. Who makes stuff up? You by telling us all that Microsoft Office had nothing to do with the DoJ anti-trust case, or me thinking you were bashing OS X again, which you do all the time?
Was it you making stuff up when you said it was Apple who was to blame for IBM’s problems even after I sent you links to IBM executives talking about their problems?
1. Red herring… niether of those is even remotely related to this thread.
2. I was admittedly wrong about Office not making stuff up about OS X because the discussion wasn’t even about OS X.
3. You are still wrong about IBM and Apple. I didn’t say Apple was responsible for IBM’s problems (heat, clock speed, power usage) but that IBM wasn’t responsible for Apple’s problem (not being able to ship enough units to meet demand). Your links just show you not paying attention… which is why I didn’t address them. Which is why my links to Apple doing the same to Motorola and such didn’t include anything about heat, clock speed, or power usage. you guys were trying to pass off the myth that Apple couldn’t meet demand because IBM couldn’t make enough processors… not true… Apple couldn’t meet demand because they didn’t order enough parts (processors). they do it on purpose… which is why they often don’t meet demand on certian types of iPods, Intel based computers etc.
Please take note that Apple had the same “can’t meet demand” problem with the Intel iMac and the current Macbook.
4. Don’t try to make it seem like you didn’t make things up in this thread because you clearly did. I not even talking about Spotlight in many of those early quotes… you made that up in your own mind.
I prove to you something several times and you continue to spread FUD. You continue to forget you can assign Exposé and Spotlight to custom keys,
I DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SPOTLIGHT AND CUSTOM KEYS (until you tried to call me out on it) BECAUSE THE DISCUSSION WAS NOT ABOUT SPOTLIGHT. IT WAS ABOUT GNOME+DESKBAR, KDE, XP, VISTA, SLED AND QUICKSILVER.
Secondly, I said the key stroke for Exposé is awkward not that it couldn’t be changed. IMO all the keystrokes for Exposé are awkward because they force me to remap the keyboard for other applications, avoid certian keys I hit all the time, radically change my keyboarding habits etc.
It was a mistake based on my limited use of it and based on earlier builds and what I’ve read.
what earlier builds? Which build had a searcvh box in the start menu and didn’t have instant (search-as-you-type) results? Where did you read that?
WinFS isn’t dead?
How does “not a separate ship vehicle” = dead? They specifically said they were rolling it into a larger product (definitely SQL Server XXX and maybe future Windows) and not offering it separately. That’s like saying because Windows Mail (OE) is no longer offered separately from a larger product (Vista) it is dead.
Are you even trying to imply that Alt-tab (+release) is just as clumbsy as envoke key (f9), then tab, then return (or esc or some other unevoke key)?
I’m sure you will once again claim that with Exposé you have to use your mouse when we have told you that you can use the arrow keys to select windows.
Actually, I made the claim that you could use the arrow keys… I said that it didn’t bring you to the last accessed window. It was part of my supporting evidence.
Someone always cuts through your BS. I give you a quote from Wikipedia. Well, you say they are wrong and you are right. I give you a quote from Microsoft. Well, Microsoft is wrong and you are right. BS. BS. BS.
Very clearly, MSN browser has parental controls. Very clearly, MSN browser shipped with XP (SPx). Are you saying either one of those isn’t true? I have shown both to be true. this is how things really are. Mcirosoft nor wikipedia can change that. you quoting either one does not change how things really are.
WTF? NABE didn’t type “phot” but “cla”, “med” etc. each screenshot was of a different string. Not even close to being the same thing. The fact that you need to disambiguate or select the app with a keystroke (arrow) is not different than Spotlight. What is different is that you can do that keystroke (arrow), in Vista, before the results come in and it will still work.
Yes, we get that. But you aren’t paying attention because I keep telling you that “Adobe PHotoshop” shows up before I type the “t” in “photoshop”.
Some blog? I don’t get the reference.
Just wait.
but vista’s search is adapative to what you use not just what you launch from the menu.
Same with Spotlight. Do you even have OS X installed? OS X is obviously tracking how often I use one application over the other, and not just from the Spotlight menu (but you only launch from Vista’s search so why does that matter, right?).
CMD Return is still clumbsy. Alt-tab is much easier, the keys are closer, I’ve been doing it since Windows 95/98, it only takes one hand (as opposed to left cmd+return), I do it with my left hand… the one I use for nearly all shortcuts…
Put your hands in the typing position on the keyboard right now. Left hand has ASDF and thumb on the space bar. Right hand is JKL: and thumb on the space bar. Now, put your left thumb on the left CMND, right next to the space bar and put your right pinky on the RETURN key, two keys over from : on the same row. That is not clumsy.
Now, let’s press ALT TAB on a PC keyboard. You have to now put your left thumb in the same place the Apple CMND key is, to the left of the space bar (you said you use one hand). Now you have to use your left pinky and move it from the A key up to another row and to the left to the TAB key.
What is clumsy is any key combo on Windows that uses the CTRL key.
Seriously, you have lost all credibility long ago, but this makes you look really silly.
AFAIK vista only retuns 5,000 items total in any Beta 2 search
Hail the all great and powerful Vista!
search box in the start menu only returns the amount of items it is able to show… it doesn’t slow down the results of one category because another category has a ton of “possible” results
Again, you are disingenuous because the Applications list in Spotlight isn’t slowed down by a ton of JPEG returns.
It doesn’t reorder the list but adds new results to the bottom instead.
Because it doesn’t even give you the results of a category until it has them all.
t’s winkey vs cmd+space or function key.
Or mouse button, or any other key combo you want.
Open Spotlight. type in one letter and press return as fast as you can… it will not launch anything if you press return before the menu shows up.
And doing the same in Vista won’t get me the application I want.
Red herring… niether of those is even remotely related to this thread.
It shows you make stuff up, actual facts. You pull them out of the air or you read them in a blog and then you repeat them as fact.
I was admittedly wrong about Office not making stuff up about OS X because the discussion wasn’t even about OS X.
I see, so when I make a mistake about instant results in Vista it’s me making it up but when you make a mistake about Spotlight, it’s just a mistake.
You are still wrong about IBM and Apple.
And the only evidence you have is some blog. We have Apple and IBM saying there was a shortage of PowerPC chips because of yield issues. We have dozens of analysts and journalists writing about that shortage. But you read some blog that says it’s Apple’s fault and you repeat that as fact.
It’s not me that’s wrong. It’s IBM who is wrong, according to you.
IBM has confirmed its PowerPC G5 CPU yield problems, noted in this week’s conference as the reason for the delays in the Xserve G5s: “One of the problems is ongoing yield issues within the company’s 300-mm fab in East Fishkill, N.Y. For months, IBM has been struggling with yields in the fab, a 130- and 90-nm plant. ‘We do see demand, but we need to make the products,’ Joyce said. ‘We need to improve our yields in our 300-mm plant. Our yields did see some improvement, but not as fast (as the company had hoped).’”
You keep spreading your BS.
what earlier builds? Which build had a searcvh box in the start menu and didn’t have instant (search-as-you-type) results? Where did you read that?
Unlike with Spotlight, Vista Beta 1’s searches are not instantaneous, but this is by design and is arguably a better choice. In Spotlight, as you start typing a search, the search results begin appearing (Figure), which can be both annoying and counterproductive when the first few letters of your search include common letters or words (like “the"). In Vista Beta 1, you need to hit Enter to launch the search (or click the Search button).
Yeah, I made it up. Do you want to apologize now?
How does “not a separate ship vehicle” = dead?
It’s sad, really. You are in denial.
Are you even trying to imply that Alt-tab (+release) is just as clumbsy as envoke key (f9),
No, I’m saying ALT TAB isn’t easier than CMND RETURN, which you seem to have a problem with.
Actually, I made the claim that you could use the arrow keys
No, you said you have to use the mouse.
Very clearly, MSN browser has parental controls.
You are pathetic. MSN browser that requires premium membership is not parental controls with the OS, period. This is a perfect example of you being completely full of shit.
LOL! That’s search in the search window or in an explorer window not in the start menu. Search in the start menu has always been search-as-you-type. Read my quote again:
“what earlier builds? Which build had a searcvh box in the start menu and didn’t have instant (search-as-you-type) results? Where did you read that? “
Again, you are disingenuous because the Applications list in Spotlight isn’t slowed down by a ton of JPEG returns.
You’re being “disingenous” by just claiming I said that. LOL!
Or mouse button, or any other key combo you want.
How do you set it to any button you want. The drop down box in spotlights system preferences was very specific as to what keys you could assign it to.
You are pathetic. MSN browser that requires premium membership is not parental controls with the OS, period. This is a perfect example of you being completely full of shit.
Perfect example of you backtracking. It would be like saying Urge or Napster doesn’t ship with Vista because they require memberships. MSN Browser ships in XP and is right there in the start menu (by default) should you decide to check it out for yourself.
Put your hands in the typing position on the keyboard right now. Left hand has ASDF and thumb on the space bar. Right hand is JKL: and thumb on the space bar. Now, put your left thumb on the left CMND, right next to the space bar and put your right pinky on the RETURN key, two keys over from : on the same row. That is not clumsy.
Now, let’s press ALT TAB on a PC keyboard. You have to now put your left thumb in the same place the Apple CMND key is, to the left of the space bar (you said you use one hand). Now you have to use your left pinky and move it from the A key up to another row and to the left to the TAB key.
What is clumsy is any key combo on Windows that uses the CTRL key.
Seriously, you have lost all credibility long ago, but this makes you look really silly.
You’re so laughable at this point. ALT-Tab, for me, is thumb and index finger very natural. CMND+Return is much more difficult than return. CMND Ruturn is more difficult than ALT-TAb. CMD space is more difficult than just cmd (winkey). F9, F1, F2, F16 etc are not as good as having a dedicated key for the explicit purpose of accessing the start menu.
And the only evidence you have is some blog. We have Apple and IBM saying there was a shortage of PowerPC chips because of yield issues. We have dozens of analysts and journalists writing about that shortage. But you read some blog that says it’s Apple’s fault and you repeat that as fact.
It’s not me that’s wrong. It’s IBM who is wrong, according to you.
Now read that article. No where in there does it say IBM said their yeilds were the reason for the shortage. In fact, the article even says they were getting better than expected yields from their 200nm plant. Apple said IBM was the reason for the shortage… IBM obviously didn’t say that. And if you follow that site a bit more you’ll find an article a few weeks later detailing what the actual problem seemed to be: “low-k dielectric films”.
http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=20300687
And check this out: Not only did IBM make tons of chips for different companies in those FABs but the G5’s given to Apple didn’t use “low-k dielectric films”.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/36471.html
but wait… that’s not it… you know who does use that technology via IBM’s Fishkill plant? ATI and AMD.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/news6127.html
]The development will be supported by AMD and IBM engineers working together in IBM’s Semiconductor Research and Development Center (SRDC) in IBM’s East Fishkill, New York facility. Work is expected to begin by January 30, 2003.
OTTAWA, CANADA, September 8th, 2004 - Chipworks Inc. ("Chipworks") today disclose findings from their analysis of the IBM PPC970FX6SB chip found inside an Apple Xserve G5 server. This is the second 90nm device Chipworks has analyzed that does not use low-k dielectric, but follows the trend set by Intel using strained silicon.
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“We looked at three low-k materials, AMAT’s Black Diamond, Novellus’ Coral, and ASM’s Aurora, as well as the different implementations by AMD, TSMC, Sony, TI, and Intel. We found it fascinating that the detailed structure of each application was different - good confirmation of the difficulty of integrating these low-k materials. If low-k is not needed for the Apple’s performance specifications, it is sensible for IBM to stick with FSG”
Even though the ISSCC paper detailed FTEOS in the back-end, Chipworks was surprised to find FSG as the inter-metal dielectric, since IBM’s foundry publicity includes low-k dielectric. Press reports have rumored that IBM has chosen Applied Materials’ (AMAT) equipment to develop their own SiCOH low-k film, rather than AMAT’s Black Diamond process.
“IBM has been conservative with the 970FX, and used almost the same dielectric stack as in their 130nm back-end”, said James. “The dielectric matrix is a bi-layer, with an FSG inter-metal layer,”
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So IBM was having problems with a technology that wasn’t even part of Apple’s chips and you’re article led me right to it… LOL!
And the only evidence you have is some blog. We have Apple and IBM saying there was a shortage of PowerPC chips because of yield issues. We have dozens of analysts and journalists writing about that shortage. But you read some blog that says it’s Apple’s fault and you repeat that as fact.
The guy has far more credibilty than Macdailynews or whoever the hell you linked to.
I see, so when I make a mistake about instant results in Vista it’s me making it up but when you make a mistake about Spotlight, it’s just a mistake.
And that’s just it. I DIDN’T MAKE A MISTAKE ABOUT SPOTLIGHT BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT VISTA AND GNOME+DESKBAR. That’s what you made up. You keep saying I made some comment about Spotlight that I didn’t make.
Again the quote was:
“At best, Gnome+Deskbar is trying to emulate what vista does perfectly. The results are grouped, sorted, adaptive, and fast. you can find any file or folder on the disk or any application. The key combo is dead easy (just one button) and it’s easier to use”
You made up the reference to Spotlight and you still won’t let it go.
That’s search in the search window or in an explorer window not in the start menu.
He doesn’t specify that, does he?
The desktop search functionality in Windows Vista Beta 1 is very similar to that in Tiger. Like Spotlight, Windows Vista’s search feature is exposed throughout the shell in various logical places. You get a Search option in the Start menu (Figure), a Search icon in the system tray, and quick search boxes in all Explorer windows (Figure). Where Spotlight offers various ways to find-tune search results using groupings and sortings (Figure), Vista Beta 1 lets you fine-tune the search with various stackable filters (Figure). To get this kind of functionality in Tiger, you need to first create a Smart Folder, which provides the same kind of filtering (Figure). (Or you can press the Apple+F keyboard shortcut.) Smart Folders, of course, are simply saved searches, and Vista Beta 1 lets you save any search as a Virtual Folder, which is essentially identical to a Smart Folder in Tiger.
Unlike with Spotlight, Vista Beta 1’s searches are not instantaneous, but this is by design and is arguably a better choice. In Spotlight, as you start typing a search, the search results begin appearing (Figure), which can be both annoying and counterproductive when the first few letters of your search include common letters or words (like “the"). In Vista Beta 1, you need to hit Enter to launch the search (or click the Search button).
How do you set it to any button you want. The drop down box in spotlights system preferences was very specific as to what keys you could assign it to.
Keyboard System Preference. You have it installed, right?
MSN Browser ships in XP and is right there in the start menu (by default) should you decide to check it out for yourself.
But we aren’t talking about MSN. We are talking about Windows XP. XP has no parental controls and Microsoft says so and xvsxp gives no points to XP for parental controls because it doesn’t have it. You are full of shit and saying something that is bundled that requires you to pay a premium membership is “XP has parental controls”. Everyone can see that this is a completely bogus argument.
ALT-Tab, for me, is thumb and index finger very natural.
Your index finger has to move from its typing position at the F key all the way over and you say that’s easy and CMND RETURN is clumsy.
You are forced to argue this ridiculous argument because your entire “Vista is superior at launching applications” argument boils down to pressing RETURN (if the correct default application is selected for you) versus pressing CMND RETURN (assuming the correct application is the Top Hit).
No where in there does it say IBM said their yeilds were the reason for the shortage.
I’ve given you the quote from IBM many times and you continue to lie about this issue:
IBM’s chip yields “are not quite where we would like them to be,” said John Kelly III, senior vice president and group executive of IBM’s Systems and Technology Group. “Lately, our defect densities have improved quite rapidly. We expect to do a better job to meet the demand of our customers,” he said during a conference call on Wednesday (May 12).
In fact, the article even says they were getting better than expected yields from their 200nm plant.
Which shows your lack of understanding on this issue. The 200nm plant is not where Apple’s chips came from. It’s the 300nm Fishkill plant, which had yield issues.
That “blog” was Arstechnica, probably the most respected tech site on the net.
It’s a blog, period. I’m guessing that you don’t agree with everything published on Ars…
You read some blog that supports your agenda and then repeat it as fact until someone cuts through the BS.
To you, it’s perfectly logical that Apple had no 2 Ghz G5s shipping for some time because they simply forgot to order the chips. You ignore all the press and IBM’s own admission that they had yield issues.
I DIDN’T MAKE A MISTAKE ABOUT SPOTLIGHT BECAUSE I WAS TALKING ABOUT VISTA AND GNOME+DESKBAR.
You said with Vista, if you want you can wait for more results. The same thing applies to Spotlight. The result I want is there before I type the third letter, but I can wait and see the list populate in a couple of seconds.
That’s just the thing. You can wait but you don’t have to. Once the first results come in vista they are never displaced by other results unlike Spotlight. For instace, type “jpg” into spotlight. It’ll show you one set of results very quickly then move all those results out of the way to show you the final results. That never happens with vista. the first results to show up stay first new results are added to the end.
And you made up that stuff about me arguing against search-as-you-type because Vista didn’t have it.
No, I didn’t. You repeated a while back some blog (Paul Thurrott) about how instant results as you type is inferior to pressing RETURN to get results. I guess the Apple way is better now. Typical.
You made up that stuff about me saying jpgs reorder or slow down your list of applications
Then what was your point in the above quote about how typing “jpg” in Spotlight? Where you going off into la la land, or did you have a point relevant to what we were discussing—launching applications?
You are wrong about: “Because it doesn’t even give you the results of a category until it has them all. “
No, Liam was.
It collects every hit in a category, then displays the category all at once. I type in “wi” in the search box and the results appear by category with ~.35-.5 seconds between each category being displayed.
In the first quarter of 2004, IBM Microelectronics lost about US$150 million, Joyce said. Joyce also brought up an issue chip makers are usually very reluctant to address by flatly stating that yields would have to improve in the second quarter for the Microelectronics group to make a profitable contribution to the Systems and Technology Group.
IBM is a chip-technology pioneer, so its struggles with Apple’s processor are doubly embarrassing. It took IBM more than six months to fix glitches at its East Fishkill (N.Y.) plant that kept yields—the number of usable chips on a 12-inch wafer—unacceptably low. Big Blue seems to have ironed out the glitches: Output doubled last quarter and is expected to double again this quarter, and Apple says it will stick with IBM.
“The whole industry has struggled with this transition. But because of our aggressive technology and designs, we tend to hit the bleeding-edge problems before our competition,” says John E. Kelly III, senior vice-president in IBM’s Systems & Technology Group.
