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Fixed the BeFS link, though I don’t know if that’s the one Nick intended for or not. It should work just fine though.
| Jun. 25, 2006 | |
| Arden | 12:39 am |
Spotlight, as it stands today, is about as related to WinFS and BeFS as Windows Explorer or the Finder. It simply isn’t a file system in anyway shape or form.
Except the creator of Spotlight also created BeFS. So I’d say Spotlight is more related to BeFS than Windows Explorer. 
| Jun. 25, 2006 | ||
| 9:31 am |
Yes, I intended the BeFS link to go to Wikipedia. Thanks for catching that, RoadRunner, and thanks for fixing it, Arden.
WinFS was implemented on top of NTFS for just that reason. It didn’t reinvent anything. BeFS reinvented the wheel because it wasn’t tacked on to the file system like WinFS was. In the case of BeFS that was probably the best option though.
Good point, RR, but the way I understood it is that WinFS was an attempt to go beyond what BeFS and technologies like Spotlight and Vista’s search and organization tools offer. I saw BeFS as being able to basically do what Spotlight and Vista can do, while one of WinFS’s goals was to essentially make the location of the files irrelevant, while in stuff out there today, file location is still a major part of organization.
| Nick | Jun. 25, 2006 | |
| 10:52 am |
Except the creator of Spotlight also created BeFS. So I’d say Spotlight is more related to BeFS than Windows Explorer.
That seems kind of irrelevant, though. I mean, Alexander Nobel created both dynamite and the Nobel Prizes, does that mean they’re related too?
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| Jun. 25, 2006 | |
| Arden | 3:28 pm |
That seems kind of irrelevant, though. I mean, Alexander Nobel created both dynamite and the Nobel Prizes, does that mean they’re related too?
The relation would be their creators, right?
Well, it was humor anyway, hence the smiley face.
| Jun. 25, 2006 | ||
| 4:29 pm |
That seems kind of irrelevant, though. I mean, Alexander Nobel created both dynamite and the Nobel Prizes, does that mean they’re related too?
Alfred, Arden, Alfred! 
I’m a swede too so I should know.
| Jun. 27, 2006 | |
| 1:52 am |
Spotlight, as it stands today, is about as related to WinFS and BeFS as Windows Explorer or the Finder. It simply isn’t a file system in anyway shape or form.
Spotlight is alive and working, so it’s the only one interesting to talk about.
I don’t get it, why do people tend to talk so much about things which don’t exist and never will? Because it’s from MS?
I’d be angry because of all the broken promises if I was a MS customer. 
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| Jun. 27, 2006 | |
| 2:00 am |
I’d be angry because of all the broken promises if I was a MS customer.
Yes, I much prefer being completely in the dark until it’s about to be released. It’s like those Mac rumormongers. They get all excited about something they think Apple is going to release, and then get disappointed when a great product from Apple ships but isn’t as grand as the rumor predicted.
They never learn.
But I never believed the fantasy-talk we got about WinFS. Not for a minute. “In the future, we will have flying cars!!!”
By now, everyone should take Microsoft’s “demonstrations” with a grain of salt.
Having said all that, I’m excited about Vista. The UI still has things that I can’t stand (task bar, Start Menu, MDI/SDI, too many UI widgets everywhere not in logical order) but there are definite improvements. I’ll probably build myself an AMD-based system just for Vista for little money next spring.
What’s the least expensive video card that gives me all the Vista goodies? 6800? I can’t bring myself to spend $500 just for a video card anymore.
| Jun. 27, 2006 | ||
| 9:27 am |
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The link to BeFS goes to http://www.dtgeeks.com/index.php/news/comme nt/winfs_is_dead/
What doomed WinFS?
Ray Ozzie. Gates said he had to campaign to Ray to keep WinFS. It looks like he failed.
It was in many respects an attempt by Microsoft to reinvent the wheel, whereas other projects like Spotlight and BeFS are more like attempts to improve upon the existing wheel. At some point the wheel most likely will be reinvented, but this clearly wasn’t the time or the place.
WinFS was implemented on top of NTFS for just that reason. It didn’t reinvent anything. BeFS reinvented the wheel because it wasn’t tacked on to the file system like WinFS was. In the case of BeFS that was probably the best option though.
Spotlight, as it stands today, is about as related to WinFS and BeFS as Windows Explorer or the Finder. It simply isn’t a file system in anyway shape or form.