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Addendum. . .
Apple, in the short time that it had been developing for Intel hardware, could do something that Microsoft has been unable to do in 15 years of pinching links of goodness that we like to call Operating Systems.
Oh, and here’s another thing. Having played around with my Mac Dev Box, I have gotten a DVD that will install OS X on a commodity PC. Lucky me. Anyway, there was really only one reason I was interested in doing this, ad that was to see if Apple, in the short time that it had been developing for Intel hardware, could do something that Microsoft has been unable to do in 15 years of pinching links of goodness that we like to call Operating Systems. Guess what. . . They have. Oh yes, Apple, in their inferiority to the Redmond Monster, has made an operating system that will not only boot, but run with relative stability on computers with wildly different hardware configurations. So far, 4 Dells, 2 Compaqs, and HP. Toshiba, Sony and Samsung Laptops, not to mention four custom boxes, running on all processors, from the Celeron M, to the Pentium D, have all been able to boot up my OS X86 and run it with absolutely no software changes. Try that with your average Windows install.
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Hmm… that just blows everyone’s argument for Windows crappiness, having to support countless multiple hardware configurations, out of the water. Anyway you can stress-test this, like find boxes that have problems with Windows and try it on them, too? (Or did some of those...)
| Sep. 15, 2005 | |
| Arden | 4:40 pm |
Doesn’t it rock. And I’ve Done what little testing that I can. I’ve removed and replaced parts of computers and seen what it takes to break a windows install. A Motherboard change always breaks a windows install. If you switch processor families, ie.e from a P4 5xx to a 6xx, that tends to break a windows install, and you can’t just do a repair, you have to do a reinstall when an install craps out. I’m up t 17 system configurations, and 12 totally different computers and so far the Mac has booted up every one. Granted, this is a modified system, but it’s not like I’m rewriting the Mo Fo, I’m just taking out the stuff that makes it only run on my Dev Box. The time is coming when we shall sit back and laugh.
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| Sep. 15, 2005 | |
| 7:28 pm |
I have installed XP on 23 different systems (including notebooks) with the same CD.
All worked no problem.
I’ve pushed out an install of XP to over 400 Systems and it’s installed, no problem, that’s not what I mean. What I mean is, install XP on one machine, and then take the drive out, and try to boot it up on another machine, or try to boot up after an upgrade.
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| Sep. 16, 2005 | |
| 2:40 am |
Well when you install XP, it should work just fine, because it gets configured for your machine. But the question is, how many of your 23 computers worked fine after changing the hardware around… after you changed the configuration? How many did you have to reactivate?
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| Sep. 16, 2005 | |
| Arden | 9:34 am |
I call B.S. on this article for numerous reasons. http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ
Parts of the GUI in OS X require Rosetta which needs the TPM chip.
Unless those PC’s have TPM chips (Palladium) then the OS won’t run. Additionally, you need SSE3 or the machine won’t even boot. That means the Celeron M, Most A64’s, the Pentium M, and anything but a new P4 or A64 can’t even dream about running it without a major hack.
http://www.osx86.theplaceforitall.com/howto/
The OS X developer DVD is available on bittorent and usenet and no one has been able to get a non-hacked version of the OS to run on anything except a dev box. People have tried installing on a dev box and moving the HD and it doesn’t work on the chips you say you tried (particularly the Celeron M).
XP, on the other hand, boot because of the activation and licensing policy. Try using an version of Windows without that activation policy and you’ll see it works just fine. That’s why so many enthusiasts stayed with Windows 2000, it doesn’t have Windows Activation.
There are ways to get XP to run irregardless of hardware config but it’s just a hack. The only real way to do it is to use XP Corp and the deployment tools.
So you need to post proof (screenshots, movies) if you want anyone to believe your tales. And while you’re at it you might as well go to the OS X86 site and slashdot with your story because ti would be breaking news.
| Sep. 16, 2005 | ||
| 2:31 pm |
Yes I too would like to see not just screenshots but photos of the computers in question.
I have tried moving my computer hard disks around and booting from it. I also got the same as you, relative stability.
No, No, kuaidang, you call BS because you’re a confrontational fool who knows far less than he purports and wants to discredit me. I’ll get you your photos, and your screenshots, but you know, deep down, that you’ll still be angry and claim that I Photoshopped them.
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| Sep. 17, 2005 | |
| 10:39 am |
Update, The drive will not work on a Micro Dell with no ATA Bus. Apparently, it is unable to boot from a drive using a SATA to ATA converter. :-( So much for my theory. That’s 17:1 a terrible track record if you ask me.
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| Sep. 17, 2005 | |
| 1:28 pm |
No, No, kuaidang, you call BS because you’re a confrontational fool who knows far less than he purports and wants to discredit me. I’ll get you your photos, and your screenshots, but you know, deep down, that you’ll still be angry and claim that I Photoshopped them.
Angry about what? About OS X being able to do something you say Windows can’t do ( but it really can you’re just ignorant).
There’s no need to discredit you. You have provided no proof of a non-hacked version of OS X86 working on a Celeron M
| Sep. 17, 2005 | ||
| 2:08 pm |
Kid, I am a system administrator. I administer about 400 WINDOWS machines. Every version of windows that I’ve used in the last years has be an corporate, no need to activate, version. If I install that on a Dell, and remove the drive from the Dell, then place it in a Compaq, IT WILL NOT BOOT. Mac OS, however, will. YOu may read a lot of internet articles and know by heart what Microsoft claims, but I work with these thing in the wild every day. If I can find my bloody digicam, I’ll be more than happy to provide ten or fifteen screenshots showing what I mean. Thank you.
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| Sep. 17, 2005 | |
| 8:41 pm |
http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/200509 09/index.html
Then how does that work?
http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com /winxp.htm
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Solution 5; Microsoft SYSPREP:
I have swapped motherboards several times. The key is preparation of the old system before taking out the old motherboard.
There is a SYSPREP tool on the XP CD.
You may need to extract files from the Windows XP CD, files are located at CD:\SUPPORT\TOOLS\ in a cab file called DEPLOY.CAB. The files are Sysprep.exe and Setupcl.exe.
With the old motherboard still intact:
You run sysprep and “RESEAL” Windows XP.
Then you put the new board in, and it re-activates Windows XP and populates the device manager list.
You do need to re-activate with the same key-code, and if you exhaust that number of activations, it will prompt you to call
Microsoft and you get a new release key at no cost from them over the phone.
If you have hardware conflicts with the new motherboard and any device, you will have extensive problems noticeable by memory dumps.
For detailed info. go to :
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?s cid=kb;en-us;q302577
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Some sys-admin you are.
http://www.motherboard.windowsreinstall.com /win2k.htm
(Go to Solution 8)
http://support.microsoft.com/search/default .aspx?catalog=LCID=1033&query=sysprep
Kid,
I over see over 1500 Windows boxes (all flavors), a group of Windows Server 2003 machines, and 150 Macs.
Granted, this is a modified system, but it’s not like I’m rewriting the Mo Fo, I’m just taking out the stuff that makes it only run on my Dev Box.
I didn’t catch that part before. So you are running the hacked version.
Another helpful trick for moving XP installs is to use FAT32 instead of NTFS.
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sweet!