Do you think the rumors about Leopard coming with virtualization are true—running Windows natively along OS X?

Yes.  Every other OS on the market is going to have virtualization so why wouldn’t Apple?  IIRC the rumor stated that Apple was working with Microsoft to create virtualization on the Mac.

I personally think they are contemplating moving the core of OS X to NT and that’s why Avie left.  With the new NT6 core in Vista one could say that Microsoft is far ahead of everyone else.  They have a good roubust file system, a nice audio stack, DX10, a very fast networking stack and lots more.  They could get lots of games and driver support (cablecard anyone?) for free and use the Carbon/Cocoa API’s instead of the WinFX/Win32 APIs.  That would also help them avoid viruses and whatnot.

Yeah, yeah...we all know Vista is going to be the most amazing thing in the world. You had a good streak going without mentioning Vista and then you had to blow it.

So are you saying I’ll be able to install OS X Leopard on a DIY PC and run it alongside Vista natively?

What Apple should’ve done is burn a custom copy of the Windows installation disc with the drivers built in so Windows wouldn’t need further configuration once it is installed.  This would be quite valuable to admins if you wanted to install Windows on a sh’tload of Macs as I imagine imaging software wouldn’t work.

Now they just need to figure out how to make it so you can run OSX and Windows side-by-side natively on a G5.

Windows doesn’t run natively on a PowerPC processor.

Windows doesn’t run natively on a PowerPC processor.

I wasn’t proposing doing that.  I was proposing running them side by side on a G5 powermac, and implying the invention and use of a Pentium expansion card.

I wasn’t proposing doing that.

I’m pretty sure you were.

BTW, PC processor cards for Macs were invented years ago. Orange Micro sold them, among others.

The problem was the cards became more expensive than an actual PC, so people stopped buying the cards.

Actually they still make something similar, but with the whole computer on the card, they need EISA slots though, but I’m sure the wonders of Apple engineering could come up with a viable PC-on-card for PCIe.

Windows doesn’t run natively on a PowerPC processor.

Actually it does!  NT4 was compiled for several different CPUs, among them was PPC.  MS probably has XP compiled for PPC too, just in case somebody’s improbibility drive malfunctions and mfrs start making G5s instead of x86s.  It isn’t going to happen but imagine how screwed MS would be if it did happen and MS didn’t have XP for PPC ready to serve up?

Actually it does!  NT4 was compiled for several different CPUs, among them was PPC.  MS probably has XP compiled for PPC too, just in case somebody’s improbibility drive malfunctions and mfrs start making G5s instead of x86s.  It isn’t going to happen but imagine how screwed MS would be if it did happen and MS didn’t have XP for PPC ready to serve up?

Apparently the early Xbox 360 developer kits, which were G5’s, had a PPC version of the NT kernel and DirectX running on them.  So it’s not out of the question that Microsoft has PPC compilers somewhere in their software portfolio.

Yeah, yeah...we all know Vista is going to be the most amazing thing in the world. You had a good streak going without mentioning Vista and then you had to blow it. 

Wow, a little jealous? LOL!

Don’t hate, celebrate.

So are you saying I’ll be able to install OS X Leopard on a DIY PC and run it alongside Vista natively?

I don’t see why not.  So far the hacking community has released patches for every version of Tiger except 10.4.6 and even that should be around in a minute.  You can even use software update to update an earlier version.

So it’s not out of the question that Microsoft has PPC compilers somewhere in their software portfolio.

I’m curious if those development G5s Microsoft supposedly used for Xbox development were not hacked in any way.

Macs have PowerPC processors, and Open Firmware (PowerPC, not Intel).

I would think that Microsoft would sell enough copies of Windows to Mac users to justify offering it. They sell VPC, right? You would think it costs more to develop emulation software to run Windows than it would to just release a WIndows that will install right on the Mac.

Wow, a little jealous? LOL!

No, I’m being sarcastic. So far, I’m not at all impressed with Vista. What you and xp_user were saying versus what it’s turning out to be are two completely different things. “Saved Searches”? Wow!

Watch these three movies. Very funny:
http://tauquil.com/archives/2006/01/06/re-i ntroducing-the-real-windows-vista/

So far the hacking community has released patches for every version of Tiger except 10.4.6 and even that should be around in a minute.  You can even use software update to update an earlier version.

That’s cool. Personally, I think Apple would be very smart to license to Dell/HP/Gateway…

But if you can update it via Software Update, why are we waiting for the 10.4.6 patch from the hackers?

But if you can update it via Software Update, why are we waiting for the 10.4.6 patch from the hackers?

The patches are for the discs that come with 10.4.x. 

No, I’m being sarcastic. So far, I’m not at all impressed with Vista. What you and xp_user were saying versus what it’s turning out to be are two completely different things. “Saved Searches�? Wow!

It’s always been clear that you would never be impressed with Vista no matter what features it had.  But the Vista wave is still what we said it would be outside of a slight timeshift.  In fact, it’s even more.  We never even mentioned or dreamt of Windows Live, WPF/E (works on Macs, Linux etc.), Superfetch, the Office Ribbon, new networking stack, new audio stack, SafeDocs/Shadow copy, Virtual PC Express, DVD ripping, CableCard, Windows Ultimate Extras, Bitlocker, DX10 with GPGPU, Quatro Home Server, IIS7, Acrylic, Office Live (free domain name, hosting, email), Windows Live Mail (awesome BTW), Instant-on, hardware based H.264/WMV/MPEG-2 decoding and encoding (in XP now too), collaboration, and more.

There are only 5 major features which didn’t turn out how I thought they would:
MSH-- available now!!
WinFS-- due with Longhorn Server although it’s out for XP now.  It should be available for Vista at launch though.
Scalable Fabric-- gone but it never was slated for Vista AFAIK.
Groupbar-- also never slated for Vista
Vector icons-- they choose PNG instead

And yes, Vista is and has already been revolutionary.

That’s cool. Personally, I think Apple would be very smart to license to Dell/HP/Gateway…

I don’t think so.  All those companies would undercut Apple’s hardware sales easily.  As much as Apple fans like to talk about how much they love Apple hardware… they don’t.  They would jump to Dell, Gateway, HP, Acer, Lenovo hardware in a second if it ran the Mac OS.  The clones proved that 10 years ago

All those companies would undercut Apple’s hardware sales easily.  As much as Apple fans like to talk about how much they love Apple hardware… they don’t.  They would jump to Dell, Gateway, HP, Acer, Lenovo hardware in a second if it ran the Mac OS.  The clones proved that 10 years ago

Apple’s Mac hardware is less than half their revenue now. That’s the difference.

Another difference is that we are talking about Dell/HP/Gateway, not Power Computing. I’m guessing Dell/HP/Gateway will sell more PCs with OS X today than Power Computing and the other Mac clone companies sold in the 90’s.

So Apple will make a lot more money licensing the Mac OS today than they did in the 90’s and it’s less than half of the company’s revenue.

It’s always been clear that you would never be impressed with Vista no matter what features it had.

I always said that if I thought Windows was a better experience than OS X, I would switch in a minute. I’ve always said I would use whatever platform I thought was the best total experience. I’ve never been the anti-Microsoft zealot.

Having said that, I haven’t seen anything from Vista that I thought would make my computing experience on Windows much better. Most of the things I hate about Windows are still there.

I’m watching Microsoft’s presentation of Vista and I’m listening to them tell me why Vista will be so cool. What is Microsoft telling me? They are showing me Vista and they are telling me about features that I already have in OS X. Again, those movies in my link illustrate that quite well.

Vector icons-- they choose PNG instead

Better choice, IMHO - alpha support, 24 bit, good compression.

I always thought vector icons was a stupid idea.

Wow, a little jealous? LOL!

And that was a comment on how often you bring up Vista in threads having nothing to do with Vista.

We were discussing booting Windows on an Intel Mac and then I said I’d rather have it running alongside OS X and then you say you think Apple is going to move to NT 6 because it’s far ahead of everything else and that’s why Avie left and you proceed to list all the crap in NT 6, etc.

????????????

When someone tells you that they don’t want to hear it because they’ve heard it too many times from you before, you say they are jealous.

It’s like a spoiled child gloating about a new toy, except the toy hasn’t shipped yet.

You are overcompensating.

I would think that Microsoft would sell enough copies of Windows to Mac users to justify offering it. They sell VPC, right? You would think it costs more to develop emulation software to run Windows than it would to just release a WIndows that will install right on the Mac.

But MS didn’t develop VPC, and you, being a “Mac Fan”, should know that.  Furthermore they can sell both VPC and Windows the way they do it now.

I always thought vector icons was a stupid idea.

All hail Mac Fan, grammer champion!

But MS didn’t develop VPC, and you, being a “Mac Fan�, should know that.

Yes, I know they didn’t create it. However, since they now own it, they are the developers of it.

Furthermore they can sell both VPC and Windows the way they do it now.

Yes, an inferior solution that costs a lot more money to maintain and develop (like getting it to run on G5s, for example) versus releasing the same Windows that runs on PPC (assuming it exists).

All hail Mac Fan, grammer champion!

Now you are on the level of informer, do you know that?

Yes, an inferior solution that costs a lot more money to maintain and develop (like getting it to run on G5s, for example) versus releasing the same Windows that runs on PPC (assuming it exists).

The product does more than allow you to do Windows on PPC Macs, MS is already integrating it into Vista, they are also using it to compete with Xen and VMWARE.  Releasing a PPC version of XP would hurt MS now, because it would be that many copies of VPC that they wouldn’t be selling.

Yes, I know they didn’t create it. However, since they now own it, they are the developers of it.

I don’t think that writing a product activation routine would be all that difficult for a company like MS.

Now you are on the level of informer, do you know that?

You opened the door, I only walked through it.